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new details, when hunter biden made a surprise appearance at the hearing room this morning in the house oversight committee, many white house officials were caught by surprise. cnn has learned some officials only learned about his visit to the capitol in real time as they watched tv coverage of his unexpected move this is according to one senior white house official. we will keep a eye on the story and many others of the appearance by hunter biden which we will have in the next hour. thank you for joining us.
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fewer than five hours out from the cnn republican presidential debate and nikki haley and ron desantis facing off five days before iowa voters set the race, is this a fight for second place? else on capitol hill when hunter biden shows up unexpectedly crashing a hearing holding him in contempt of congress. you are the epitome of white privilege, coming into the oversight committee and spitting in her face. >> we can hear from hunter biden. >> you should have the courtesy and don't act like nimrods. hunter biden abruptly walked out. a judge says not so fast on donald trump taking the stand. welcome to the lead, i am
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pamela brown, jake tapper is out, he will moderate the republican presidential debate with dana bash between ron desantis and nikki haley, the two candidates searching for a breakthrough that could position them to become the one and only viable challenger to donald trump who is the favorite to win his search straight republican nomination. nikki haley trails donald trump by only 7% in new hampshire. in five days, the moment of truth in the state of iowa first. kylie atwood is in des moines, iowa with how their sharpening attacks on each other and donald trump before the critical debate tonight. >> reporter: with just five days to go until the iowa caucuses, the stakes could not be higher. >> it will take a lot of courage. >> we answered a lot of questions. >> reporter: the debate is the first time ron desantis and
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nikki haley will face-off one on one. the republican presidential candidates have been targeting each other for months. both eager to be the last one standing against former president donald trump. nikki haley hitting the sentence with a new digital advertisement. >> ron desantis, losing a lien. -- and lying. >> nikki haley cares more about ukraine border than she does about our own border in the united states. >> reporter: as they trade jobs , they are ratcheting up their criticism of donald trump, the clear frontrunner in the republican primary. >> donald trump is not willing to show up on the debate stage, does he answer questions, has he gone to all 99 counties, even nine counties? >> time to move past president trump. we don't need anyone getting in their feelings, we don't need anyone getting personal. >> reporter: as nikki haley gains momentum, particularly in
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new hampshire where she is only seven points behind donald trump, the former president is going after her in a more pronounced way. >> nikki haley would sell you out. >> reporter: she has pledged to defend herself against the attacks by donald trump and said she will keep her criticism focused on policy. >> for those who want me to hit donald trump more, i am not going to do it. if he lies about me, i will call him out on it. politics is personal enough >> reporter: as they deliver the closing are meant, voters are watching to see how they measure up against each other, and the former president who will not be on stage. >> i don't think they will have any choice but to go after each other a little bit to distinguish themselves, but ultimately they are up against donald trump and they will definitely have to bring his name up and how they differed from donald trump as opposed to the other candidate. >> reporter: the last person
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was mark, an undecided voter picking between nikki haley and ron desantis, not looking for one thing from either on the debate stage but he really cares about border security, immigration, we will wants to see if either candidates say something on that topic that can bring him to go out and caucus for them. >> thank you and welcome back from maternity leave let's discuss with chip roy of texas. we will get to the debate in a moment. first, a lot of action on capitol hill today. let's start with spending as conservative gop hardliners states this, you could call the rebellion, taking a procedural vote to show opposition to the spending deal. how long will conservatives keep the house in a state of paralysis? >> it depends, i would not call it a state of paralysis, we are supposed to debate -- >> that legislation cannot move
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forward -- >> we are looking for the correct legislation, not just any legislation and we want bills moving forward that will cut spending like we said we would do. a $1.66 trillion monstrosity is not what we signed up for. we body checked the conference and said, let's get back in the room and figure out what we need to do. we are all in general agreement on on the same page, we have a razor thin majority and it is tough sledding. we have to negotiate against a senate and white house having no interest in containing spending. they want the special side deals, the backroom deals, we want to adhere to that and get it done, cut spending. if we do a cr through this year, we will spend $100 billion less and restore some order, defense will be okay, veterans will be okay, we will reduce bureaucracy. >> mike johnson was on fox saying, i agree with chip roy,
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i am not thrilled about the deal but this is a divided government. there is a very slim majority in the house with a democrat- controlled senate and a democratic president this is what you have to do to get the deal done. what do you say to that? >> you should take the house majority for a spin and go to charles schumer and the president, we hold the power of the purse, we had an agreement, caps were in place, adhere to the caps. we will get to the spending restraint and we can move forward. i think that is what we should do. if they want to shut down the government, that is on them >> it is not on them, it is on you and the other hardliners. republican hardliners. >> why? why on us? >> johnson announced the top lines for the deal with democrats. >> a violation of the agreement , why is it on us?
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>> they say no and this would be on gop hardliners if the government shutdown next why? we had>> an agreement. >> speaker johnson says he is not more spending cuts, $30 million more than what democrats wanted and we are sticking to the deal that was struck. >> it is not, it is 1.6 extreme numbers using side deals and gimmicks to expand the size of the government well over the ominous spending bill. let's be clear, this is a big give for me to say i would consider that when the texas border is wide open as i want to see our borders secured first for me to say i will consider a cr through the end of the year, so we can govern but that is a gift because texas is under assault by our department of homeland security who was grilled for lying to me
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under oath while people are resulted in texas. >> we will talk about the border later on. first, you have flirted with the idea of making a motion to vacate your new speaker, mike johnson, if he makes this deal not tough enough on the border. is his job in jeopardy? >> what i have said, everything is always on the table. that is the point of having rules, so you can hold the body to account. as you know, i was not itching to move the motion to vacate in the fall, i was opposed to the move. mike is a friend. what i want the republican conference to do is stand up and fight and do what we said we would do. that is what i want to see. everything is on the table we took down a rule saying, let's sit down and do our job, spent at the level we are supposed to , people want us to cut spending and secure the border. >> i want to ask you about this impeachment hearing today for alejandro mayorkas of his
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handling of the border crisis. a legal expert, jonathan turley, said that "no evidence that he is corrupt or committed impeachable offenses, he could be legitimate accused of effectuating an open border policy but that is a disagreement on policy traced to the president." he said it could be a dangerous precedent by impeaching cabinet members you don't agree with. is this troubling? >> i would like to see his definition of what rises to the level of impeachment, that is debated over time but when you violate your oath, when you do not take care to see that laws are faithfully executed, when you have american citizens being harmed, people dying from federal poisoning and wide-open orders empowering china and drug cartels, that is a disregard of his duty and he did in fact lie to me under oath, with the statute that says you were supposed to
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maintain operational control of the border, he said one thing to me in the judiciary committee and went to another committee in the senate and said different things. that matters. he was trying to tell the american people that they were in fact having operational control of the border and they did not. he was using the language to skirt around it. mark green did a great job in homeland security today demonstrating he did lie to us under oath. >> i want to pick apart what you said, some of what you said , dhs has said, no laws have been violated, this has been a continuing issue, federal poisoning coming across the border, they say they have done more to combat the federal coming across the years and the last two years than in the last five years. a former trump administration dhs official says, i don't like the way the border is being run by the joe biden administration , but it would be more productive to work on policy enhancement than waste time with an impeachment. what do
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you say? >> we are working h.r. 2,on policy limits and that is why we passed it is languishing in the senate because the sitting -- senate democrats don't want to screw the border. >> they say they have a supplemental post with more funding for border patrol agents. >> they want more funding so they can process more people, they don't want to have laws to allow us to secure the border. we do have laws in place, which they are blatantly ignoring i want to talk with -- >> the white house is no laws are being ignored. >> i tell you what, i will send you the secure fence act chart i put up in front of alejandro mayorkas , you read it and tell me if they are violating the laws. about fentanyl , six children in the school district in which my family resides and died from fentanyl poisoning last year. >> that is horrible. >> for those of us looking and
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saying, this is horrible, i want alejandro mayorkas to come down and talk to the parents of those children , and looked him in the eye and say, i am doing everything i can to stop fentanyl from coming into the community killing texans >> it was also under republican administrations. >> at much smaller numbers and the number of people coming across the border at the end of the trump administration, because of remained in mexico and title 42 was far lower, 30,000 per month, we had 302,000 people apprehended in december 302,000 people and alejandro mayorkas went to the border and admitted they are releasing 85% of them. >> that is according to fox news. >> i spoke with agent. i call the border patrol agents, they said it was more than 85%. that is the truth and we know it the evidence bears it out. >> your take on the debate, you have been pushing for ron desantis what do you want to see from him tonight? >> i want to see the governor
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keep doing what he has been doing as long as he has been in office, standing up for the people he represents. he has done a phenomenal job, he is on the right trajectory with all due respect, nikki haley has been stumbling, hardly a day where there has not been a gaffe where she is mocking the people of the state of iowa and safe new hampshire needs to correct the islands. -- iowans. i want her to be asked about boeing, they gave out stock buybacks, what was going on making sure that bolts aren't missing? we need to restore american american manufacturing. we need to hold corporations accountable and stand up for the little guys who want to get by in life, dying from joe biden inflation, all these ev mandates, we need somebody who can lead and that is governor ron desantis. i look forward to joining him probably on friday but it depends on what we are doing.
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>> he is not polling so well with new hampshire, he has put all of his eggs in the iowa basket, if he does not win, is it over for him? >> we will see when the people going into the voting booth and make a decision. on the ground, there is a lot of enthusiasm for the state of iowa, 1600 precinct captains who are enthusiastic, we drove to southeast iowa when the governor had to go back to florida for the state of the state, thousands of people engaged who have already signed their cards to caucus for the governor what is on the ground is different than on the polls and i think we will see that on monday. >> thank you for your time. the cnn debate is tonight, five days before the iowa caucuses watch it live at 9:00 p.m. eastern -- hunter biden was at the capitol. it got explosive. >> you have no balls --
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>> point of inquiry. >> the lady is recognized. >> if she wants to hear from hunter biden, we can hear from him, let's hear from hunter biden, what are you afraid of? >> that guy fieri, hunter biden igniting an uproar among members wanting to hold him in contempt of congress for not complying with a subpoena for testimony. we have more on the contagious ordeal on capitol hill. >> house republicans moving to hold the president's son in contempt of congress. not before he appeared on capitol hill unexpectedly infuriating the gop and setting off a sideshow. >> you are the epitome of white privilege, coming into the oversight committee, spitting in our face, ignoring a congressional subpoena to be deposed, what are you afraid of? you have no balls. >> what a coward.
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i think he should go straight to jail. i am looking at you, hunter biden, you are not above the law. >> debacle. he shows up, just a show. >> he should have been in the judiciary hearing. we are doing the contempt. report referring the matter to the full house next week. coming as hunter biden and his legal team implements an aggressive new strategy to take on republicans directly. >> what are they afraid of what republican subpoenaed hunter biden to appear before a private deposition in december, but he defined that subpoena saying he would only testify publicly. that offer rejected by republicans. who demanded he first testified behind closed doors. >> we will not provide hunter biden with special treatment because of his last name. all americans must be treated equally under the law. >> reporter: hunter biden facing a criminal indictment to tax violations and gun charges set to appear in court for an arraignment on thursday. >> made an exquisite offer that people like hunter biden have
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the option to attend the deposition. whichever they chose. hunter chose a hearing where republicans could not distort, manipulate, or misuse that testimony. >> reporter: the chaotic scene as republicans are moving ahead with the impeachment inquiry into hunter biden's father. >> this committee is not interested in prosecuting hunter biden. president biden profited from his name and the person that arrange the deals was hunter biden. >> reporter: but so far they do not have the votes to bring articles of impeachment as they continue digging for anything connecting hunter biden approaches business dealings to the actions of the president, something they have yet to prove . >> issue go to the house floor for a vote but i don't know if we have the will to do it and i
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don't know if it would pass. >> reporter: that is a reality facing republicans, many conservatives are wanting to impeach joe biden but there are not the votes to do that. a number of republicans in swing districts are not there yet but they are there on the different question, impeaching the homeland security secretary , alejandro mayorkas, who faced his first impeachment hearing today and moments ago i asked the chairman of the homeland security committee if he believes he has the votes to impeach alejandro mayorkas and he said there will be the votes to impeach mayorkas in the weeks ahead. how much is hunter biden a political liability for the 2024 election? and sharp words about the president from an influential voice who has endorsed joe biden in 2020, what is he saying now? a response from the biden campaign.
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charlamagne the god, he explained it in blunt terms. >> president biden has been an elected official but donald trump has into democracy. >> you would vote for joe biden again? >> i am not saying either work. >> let's bring in cochair of the reelection campaign and a senior advisor for the democratic national committee, thank you so much for coming on congressman richmond say what you want about charlamagne the god , expressing how many voters feel and he also said democrats struggle with messaging and said the attempt to court black voters and black churches and soul food restaurants as joe biden did in south carolina , is not effective anymore for democrats . what is your reaction? >> charlamagne is a respected voice in the black community and i agree with what he said, donald trump is the end of democracy as we know it. as he talked about where we
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campaign, how we campaign but today is different and we have to message different, he is correct. my overall point would be the president will go everywhere where americans are facing and struggling with ends. he went to the mother emmanuel church, a significant place of importance and will tout his message. here is the important part and charlamagne it on this, you have to tell people what you did, how it benefits them, he expressed a threat donald trump poses which charlamagne also expressed , but he talked about the investment in hbcus, $7.3 billion, black wealth went up 60%, the racial wealth gap is the lowest in some time, he reduced the price of insulin $35 to seniors who have given blood, sweat, and tears who have protected this democracy. whether the infrastructure bill , there is a plethora of things
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that the president and vice president did to support african-american communities in the country at large. you have to go there and look them in the face and tell them what you did. and you have to tell them what you're going to do in the next term. we reduced student that for 3.6 million americans. but we have more work to do and we will do that in the second term so that we cancel all student debt. that is what the president was doing. >> why has not the president been effective with the messaging touting those accomplishments to constituents ? to voters of color, that charlamagne is speaking about when he says, i am frustrated and i don't feel like he is done enough and what he is doing now is not cutting it? >> charlamagne and i share frustration , mine is different because i believe the president and the vice president are doing their role, president biden wakes up every day trying to figure out how we can make
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this country better for you, your community, for your family's, he keeps his head down and does the work which is why he has so many accomplishments. it is up to people like me to make sure that we talk about those accomplishments and help them break through. this is election year. this is the year you tell people what you were able to do that you promised to do, and you tell them what you will do in the next four years and you will see the president talking about the things he was able to achieve we will be able to remind people come on day one in office, 50% of the schools in this country were closed, children were learning from home. we will remind them of the donald trump years which has been soundly rejected since 2018 and 2020. >> i want to talk about the cnn republican debate before we let you go. between nikki haley and ron desantis, a town hole -- town hall by donald trump will happen at the same time.
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>> it is the same thing we saw back in 2020, donald trump made all of his attacks personal, but you will not hear them talk about, they will not talk about you, your family and that they will not talk about your community, they will not talk about protecting freedom or standing up for democracy, they will not talk about how to lower child poverty which reproduced in half in the first year. they will talk about a bunch of stuff but it will not be about families. if you look at what we have been able to do in terms of lowering costs for families and empowering families, talking about bringing manufacturing jobs back to america, looking at new business startups, all of those things we will go around and tout. at the end of the day, tonight, you will see the republicans will continue to cater to the top 1% and big corporations, and they will make things personal, and we will continue to talk about the american
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people, how do we preserve this fragile democracy? you will see donald trump doubled down on rooting for an economic crash. who does that? who roots for pain for the american people for political gain? you will see us continue to talk about preserving democracy , building the economy that works for everyone. >> recent comments donald trump made about the comic, saying he hopes it does not crash under his watch. thank you for your time as we countdown to the debate, is this a fight for second plalace? we will talk about ththat up nenext.
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a live look in the state of iowa where the stage is set for our presidential debate, republican debate, let's bring in jenna goldberg and ashley allison. the pressure is on ron desantis to blunt the momentum by nikki haley. in your view, is this a race for second place? >> objectively, it sort of is but in the last 48 hours, it now feels like there is a
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scenario, not likely, but a scenario in which nikki haley could win in new hampshire and that blow to the inevitability of donald trump and how he would respond would possibly create some sort of opening. christie may drop out. momentum around nikki haley and people in new hampshire will watch. >> watched it on cnn. there is an editorial published today in the national review arguing it is not too late for republican voters to rethink nominating donald trump that they argue rivals have not had traction because donald trump squashed electability argument with his strong point against president biden. they say that the democrat is so weak he could lose to donald trump but the former president is a risky bet. what is your
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response? >> the polling does give donald trump wind and his sale, if i was nikki haley or ron desantis, i would say he is already a loser to joe biden but they are not going to say that because they will not call the election for 2020 because they don't want to upset the maga base. if they said trump is a loser, i don't think he would be polling where he is if the entire field attacked in the way chris chrisite did. >> ron desantis is upping the criticism. >> the basic dynamic is, nobody wants to offend trump's base. they tap dance around that for a long time. what destroyed a lot of the strategy where the indictments.
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there was this rush to circle the wagons around him. they refused to use the indictments and say, this is the problem you get with him, the drama, now the electability argument, the best way to move republican voters at this point who don't want to hear bad things about donald trump, it gets muddy. joe biden unveiled his threat to democracy thing as the fundamental theme of his campaign. that would not work on nikki haley or ron desantis. it would work on donald trump, arguably. >> let's talk about messaging. a good pivot to the conversation i just had with former congressman richmond, advisor to joe biden, he gave a response to charlamagne the god and why he regrets endorsing joe biden , he largely agreed with charlamagne in terms of his criticisms with messaging of what president biden has done for black voters. were you surprised by that?
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>> you don't live or die by one pole. there seems to be some traction that people are saying, particularly in the black community and with young voters , the message and what joe biden has done for them, they don't feel the impact. it is not because the administration has not done things to the black community for young folks, but they do need to get out there. cedric richmond, i agree with charlamagne and congressman richmond , they have to tell people what joe biden has done for them. that is not going to be enough. i think that is what charlamagne was getting at , you have to tell me what you were going to keep doing for me . so often joe biden says don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative i think black voters are saying but do not ask me to rely on what you say you were going to do, actually do it for me and tell me what you have done, make me feel it if the campaign can do that and the administration can do that in the last year, i think joe
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biden to close ground but they do have work to do. that is why i was happy that the former congressman agreed that i was surprised that he acknowledged that >> jonah, we heard from chip roy , the republican saying a motion to vacate speaker johnson should be on the table over objections from the house from caucus to a budget deal he cut with democrats and you will never grow that said if republics want a better deal, they need to win more elections. >> is a math problem, the reason why johnson is doing what he is doing the same reason kevin mccarthy did what he was doing, they have a two seat majority for the republicans. there is no leverage, no wiggle room. the problem is, you cannot expand your caucus so that you can get things done when the people who are defining the brand of the republican party are out there setting her hair on fire, doing the stuff nancy was doing, radioactive thing to
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say on the right, they need more rhinos, republicans for moderate districts that build up the size of your coalition, instead, this is the problem with both parties, they behave as if the voters, only voters they are afraid of losing is the base voters but the point of the base is they are always with you, who you need to attract elections to build a majority coalition are the swing voters, people in the middle, yet, the incentive structure, the media complex, make it very difficult for joe biden pivot to the center and difficult for republicans to be appealing to anybody who does not come from the district already 20% republican. >> what do you think? >> a little different for democrats and republicans that independence for democrats, this is the concern we were speaking about with black voters, independent voters will vote republican or democrat,
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but the democratic base may not vote, that is the problem, not that they will switch parties, will they show up because they feel there is a candidate for them? >> that is fair. >> thank you both, we appreciate that conversation. donald trump will speak in his own defense in a civil fraud trial tomorrow, why the judge says that will not happen and blames team donald trump.
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the judge presiding over donald trump about this new york civil fraud case swatted down his request to speak during closing arguments tomorrow. yesterday, donald trump dropped into his dc court of appeals immunity hearing as he tries to seize the spotlight five days before the iowa caucuses came in poland has the story.
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why did the judge denied the request? >> reporter: he says because nobody told him donald trump was going to follow the rules of the court. campaign is court in the world of donald trump for a lot of these days, yesterday, he made a speech after the court and tomorrow, but was set up to happen and what is set up to happen, closing arguments in the civil fraud trial. he has already been found liable by the judge and, the judge is set to hear the arguments over how much donald trump and his companies should be fined or face consequences for defrauding the state of new york related to the business practices. what happened over the past week was a back-and- forth where donald trump's lawyers told the judge, donald trump wants to speak and address the court as part of the closing arguments. that on its own is unusual. defendants do not do that arguments. the judge said, okay, he must follow the rules of trial. he cannot bring in new evidence or
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testify, he cannot offer commentary and he cannot make a campaign speech. i will cut him off if he does that. they went back and forth and ultimately today the judge says , okay, the deadline is noon, donald trump wants to speak, tell me by noon and he will agree to comply with all of my rules of the court. no response and the judge said, donald trump will not be speaking in court tomorrow. does not mean he won't be there and speak in and out of the courtroom but in the closing arguments, he will not be there and has this opportunity to attack the judge further and say he disagrees with how the judge has handled the trial. >> thank you so much. this just in, sources tell us we should stand by for a major announcement from the campaign of chris christie. more 2024 coming up on cnn. we are back in just a moment .
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back with our world lead. although the war between israel and hamas is a half a world away, jewish-americans are experiencing the effects first hand. the incidents in the u.s. have skyrocketed since the october 7th hamas attacks in israel and according to few data from the antidefamation league a 361% jump when you compare the same time period from 2022 and 2023. islamophobia is also up between october and december 2023. the council on american islamic relations said it saw a 172% increase ins if for help than
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2022. behind those numbers are real people experiencing real fear in the commune is they call home. fear for their family members and as cnn's paula newton reports this alarming trend does not stop at the united states' northern border. a morning ritual, school drop-off at gadola. students hustle in and as usual, rabbi carmel is meeting them at the door. it's a typical morning in montreal right down to the snow-covered streets except for this -- police watching every move. in november montreal police say the school was targeted not once, but twice by gun fire. students were not there at the time. there were no injuries, but also no arrests so far. rabbi carmel, an american and the grandson of holocaust survivors, the fact that it could happen here --? it's scary. scary. made it so shocking to have such
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an act in such a community, it's almost like we're in a bubble here. the fact that as a religious school very identifiably jewish that this bes come the go-to place to protest, to express your anger is so misconstrued. it's hurtful. >> and police across canada say it's far from an isolated incident. last week a jewish-owned deli in toronto was the target of an arson attack. no one was injured and no arrests have been made, but toronto police call it a tipping point. >> this is a criminal act. it is violent. it is targeted and it is organized. >> canada's prime minister has admitted there is newfound fear on canadian streets. >> we're seeing right now a rise in anti-semitism that is terrifying. >> canadian authorities say
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hate-inspired incidents have spiked since the hamas attack in israel. punk waited by tense protests across the country. >> before the tipping point, try and pull it back. rabbi saul emanuel voices concerns not just as a parent with children at the targeted school, but a community leader looking for security and less impunity. >> it's become accepted that you can go off at any jewish target. >> that real fear of being targeted simply based on your religion is one of many muslims who have also reported an increase in hate-inspired incidents. >> it is much worse than 9/11. >> samir speaks to us from a montreal mosque that was recently targeted with graffiti. >> when there is hate and intimidation against each and every individual. in this montreal synagogue they
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pray for peace in israel astounding how their faraway war is a ffecting their everyday lives. >> our day schools and synagogues have always been sacrosanct. >> and sacrosanct no longer, pam. of course, you and i as parents can obviously relate to how alarmed people here are. we are at the school right now. pickup is just wrapping again with that added security, but what's going on here really does resonate around the world and for good reason. as prime minister jufstin trudeu said if canada can't figure this out that has most tolerance in most time what corner of the world can figure it out? >> thank you very much. thank you so much, paula newtot. we have nenews coming up about chchris christie.. stay witith us. wewe'll be rigight back.
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this just in. chris christie expected to drop out of the 2024 presidential race and he's about to make this announcement and i want to go back to the panel and your reaction. >> it was always a long shot for him to get the nomination. it helps nikki haley in the long run in new hampshire. i hope he keeps throwing purchases at donald trump if the other two folks won't do it. >> i don't think we'll see christie will endorse nikki haley for someone who has 40 points, but his voters will probably go to nikki haley and conceivably, if she gets all of them that would put her ahead of donald trump. >> there were people on his leadership team, christie saying dropout. christie responded to that saying he was a liar and now we're expecting this announcement according to a source that he is going to be dropping out indeed. thank you both and much more on this with wolf blitzer in "the
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